Really? Really?!?

[quote="DrPete"] A proof of concept. Does it sound interesting? [/quote]

Yes! I'm in. The luck mechanic and ways to manipulate it are necessary for heroic adventures. There should be a way to play some unassuming character, whose stats and skills don't compare to experienced warlocks and warlords, but who will bring them down when their destiny calls for it.

Also I'm willing to give to the campaign to bring in more material not funded by someone's minions boosting their ego by projecting their hate fantasies into our shared game.

[quote="Alex"]

It looks like Dr. Pete has started a campaign for The Chosen One:

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/autarch/heroic-fantasy-and-barbaria...

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Really good idea.

[quote="SenorOcho"] Somehow I don't think a campaign to add less content to a game is going to gain much traction, unless said content was completely out of bounds of what the game is. Which this is most certainly not. I'm not a fan of Vox Day, but I did read his post where this campaign started and I have to say calling it "hateful" is rather over-reactive. Almost to the point of living up to the sorts of stereotypes that people like Vox Day put forth about their opponents to begin with. [/quote]

 

Hi SenorOcho,

Specifically, Vox's campaign post calls out - a picture of the vile minions eating SJWs. That seems pretty hateful. His biases are very apparent and clear.

-RG

Regarding the Chosen One concept of a provident/destined/lucky character, I thought I’d add two more sources of inspiration: Joan of Arc, and the White Rose of the Black Company series.

From the White Rose, the character might gain the ability to dispel magic and summoned creatures. Also, turn undead might be appropriate.

Alex,

I understand your position - though I do continue to disagree with it. Publicly, all I will say is this.

I stand by the position that starting a counter-campaign to create a "positive" stereotype for the game is a very different outcome than protesting negative material.

I have run ACKS since I discovered it some years ago, have my name in the credits of an ACKS book (for a very small contribution), and stood for ACKS at GenCon in 2016. I love the game and I support the game. That said, I'm surprised by the number of posts - yours included - that focus on the negative aspects of the game, i.e. slavery, etc.

In all my ACKS campaigns, while I have kept the mechanics intact, I have always seen a world evolving out of player action. I don't have players who engage in slavery, and despite the inherent possible evils of feudalism, I use ACKS to simulate a dangerous world of "Carolignian" fantasy... with players on the forefront of a sort of "mini-rebirth" of the world around them. Your game, while it has it's roots in brutal antiquity, is far more than that and I have run your game with an eye toward future glories far more than base motives. Even your opening story in the game presents a band of heroes who stood up for something great and fought to protect it. 

You have created - for my money - the best legacy game that could have evolved from the core of Old School D&D. It is my chosen game to play because of the excellence and attention to detail. But after taking the night to think about it and reading your response... I can't support this KS. I know in the long run, that doesn't matter, because it is already funded and looks to be on pace to be a record for ACKS kickstarters. And congratulations on that.

But this campaign and the deal made with Vox Day are problematic enough that I cannot - as I intended - contribute to it.

I am intrigued by the idea of the Fated Hero/Chosen One using the existing Hero Points system.  As I mentioned earlier, this reminds me of the Alice class described in Red & Pleasant Land, and I'd hope the final result would be able to pull of surprises not just in combat but in difficult situations.  Actually, now that I think about it, the Halfling in DCC is sometimes referred to as a "luck battery" because of their recharging luck, so if we end up getting halflings that might be what their racial value provides.

I don't particularly want to get into a pissing match with Vox Day et. al.  Politics is everywhere these days out of necessity, and I prefer my games as an escape from that.  I like the Fated Hero/Chosen One idea because it's grounded in the conceits and tropes of the kind of fantasy we're all kickstarting, and not just a shoehorned idea.

Anyway, I'm not sure I fully understood the nature of the "For the X" pledging. is their entire pledge counted or is it only the amount over their reward level which counts?

I applaud those speaking outright, but my general nature is one of compartmentalization, so I post under an additional layer of anonymity. There is very little in life that is apolitical, and I resist dirtying my neutral persona here by stepping into the deep muck of the Internet.

I fundamentally disagree with the action taken on both ethical & business standings.

I had not known 'Vox Day' as anything but a minor self-published author until now, and having gone through his blog and other associated research, I would rather have kept my original impression. This is less an issue of 'free speech' than it is 'purchased speech', and this action taken by Autarch sullies their creative output. It doesn't matter that the eventual output will be, to use a term Theodore may approve of, whitewashed, to remove overt political references. The 'speech' portion of his action has already occured, and with the cooperation of and implied approval of Autarch. Theodore may now go back to his feckless band of internet tough guys, point to this product, and say "See? I matter. I can be heard. I deserve attention." This is a distinct difference from other venues that have, correctly, ignored or marginalized his participation. The fact it ss in something so technically minor as a game supplement from a small publisher is irrelevant to his cause. In point of fact, his odious worldviews fully restrict him to such minor efforts as hijacking the Hugos or infesting a Kickstarter - there is no larger market for his type.

At best, this is a distraction. At worst, it risks Autarch becoming embroiled in the same social arguments that burn across the internet daily, and permanently affecting its reputation. It cannot be spun as apolitical - Autarch ceded control of the narrative when the deal was struck, and now must rely on Theodore's restraint and good judgement, what supply there is of it, to emerge a neutral party. One cannot crowd fund a project without the consent of the crowd, and catering to a noxious fringe, only seemingly vociferous due to the structure of the 'Net, is not a well-considered decision. This is far beyond discussion about how much skin our barbarian princesses reveal, or the inherent rights of fictional orcs, and any comparison to that in this matter is myopic at best. Autarch has catered to the views of a person who disagrees with the base genetic makeup of actual living humans, allowing him to purchase (outside the normal interactions of a Kickstarter) a soapbox to stand upon. He does not do this out of the respect he holds for the product, the genre, yourself, or Autarch. The Dark Lord name is one tied strongly to his political activities. This is not an apolitical event. 

I can only assume it was deemed worth the business risk. The 'libertarian free market' response is not additional monies pledged as protest, it is the retraction of pledges, for those who take these things seriously. Money is speech, and backers names will be listed alongside Theodore's, as complicit as he was in the production of the final draft, and implicitly linked in his future efforts at promotion of himself and his ideologies. 

Sadly, there seems no way to independently support Omer's Kanahu.

I'd like you to contrast this with the quantifiable good done as part of ACKS' Bundle Of Holding - thousands of dollars gifted to the United Mitochondrial Disease Foundation - for a sense of my disappointment in Autarch as an entity.

 

 

 

 

Many of us have been playing ACKs for years.  I narrowly missed the kickstarter for the Player's Companion but I was able to pre-order it.  I want to say... 2011.  This is well before Gamergate, before the Alt-Right was a known quantity, before Sad Puppies. All of us posting have been here for years.  I can't speak for others but I've been fortunate enough to see several rough drafts of the heroic companion, I have been excited for this product long before I had ever heard of Vox Day, and I was a backer before the "For the Dark Lord" posts came along, and I had no idea what they were at first.  I refuse to be driven out of my own hobby, or to be lumped in with him.  

For what it's worth (from a lurker who has been reading about ACKs for several years but only started purchasing the books in the past year) I find Alex’s commitment to an “apolitical” approach to be refreshing and actually even a little surprising in today’s climate. This will be my first time backing one of your Kickstarters, and I intend to support future Autarch Kickstarters.

/relurking

I penned this in response to a private email, but since the topic is public I will share it here. 
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Allow me to better explain my position, in part by cataloging a career of business decisions.

In 2001, when I founded my first company, Themis Group, my first hire - as company president - was a transwoman named Jessica Mulligan. At the time, transgender people were much less in the public eye, much less understood, and not widely accepted. And Jessica was not able to pass. My judgment was quietly questioned by our investors. But Jessica was excellent at her job and went on to become executie producer for Turbine's MMOs. 

In 2008, as Publisher of The Escapist, I was the executive producer of "I Hit It With My Axe", featuring the then-little-known D&D With Pornstar's Zak Smith and his friends. Zak is a left-wing radical who despises right-libertarians, so his politics couldn't be further from mine. I was immediately attacked by social conservatives, for "putting porn stars on the site". Note that they were offended because of who these people were, not what they were seeing on camera: The show was about playing D&D, had no adult content in it, and showed that people of all types played D&D. It enjoyed a successful run without that audience. Later, that chorus of attack also added progressives, who told me that I should not work with Zak Smith because he was objectionable. Zak continued to have a successful show.

In 2012, I was made Publisher of EveryJoe, a conservative men's site. I hired, among others, RPG Pundit and John C. Wright. You can find a published history on RPG Pundit's blog of his opinion of me allowing John C. Wright to be a columnist - he finds the man objectionable, as many do. Of course, many people also think RPG Pundit should never be a columnist because he's objectionable. Yet both had successful columns with avid followings.

In 2012, I was also made Publisher The Gloss, a feminist fashion site. I hired Sam Escobar, a gender-fluid bisexual person who uses "they/their" as their preferred pronouns to run that site. Conservatives don't read The Gloss but if they did, they'd be appalled; I cannot imagine what John C. Wright, the most socially conservative person I've ever known, thought of it and Sam. It didn't matter. Sam was great at their job and is now Deputy Editor at Allure; we still stay in touch.

In 2014, as Publisher of The Escapist, I made the decision to allow discussion of GamerGate on our forums, and conducted a series of interviews showing that there was diversity of opinion on this topic. For this I was widely pilloried by progressives, for giving a platform to hate speech, and somewhat by gamergaters, for giving a platform to "SJWs". Several staffers resigned because of my position, mostly from the left. Many threads on RPG.net blasted my character and several backers who used to support ACKS refused to do so because I participated in "hate speech". Nevertheless, I continue to maintain that there was and is diversity of opinion and deed on this topic and that gamers deserved to be able to discuss it. I wrote a lengthy 5-page essay explaining my views, available online.

In 2014, I hired a man named Brandon Morse to work at The Escapist. I was immediately attacked because Brandon Morse had made tweets that some people in the trans community found offensive. Among those people Zak Smith and other members of "IHIWMA" team. Zak notified me that they would cease working with me if I did not cease working with Brandon. I sadly explained that if I had listened to that sort of influence, I'd never had worked with Zak, because other people were saying the same thing about him. He responded that he and the others were leaving. Zak and I have not worked together since.

Now, in 2016, I have accepted a pledge campaign from Vox Day, a notorious internet troll and right-wing extremist. But Vox is also a man who has loyally backed my games for years, frequently posted very kind reviews about it on his website, and whose affiliates are among my most enthusiastic supporters in the media. I have already made it clear that the art and class in the book will be appropriate to the tone of the game, world, and book. Nevertheless, there is pressure not to do business with the man, not because of what will be in the book, but because of who he is and what he believes.

I understand that pressure, and I know that those who take that stance do so out of their own moral beliefs. When I refuse that pressure, it is because of my own moral beliefs, not for economic gain. (I work in liberal Hollywood California, and my career has only been harmed, not helped, by being a right-libertarian.)

Fundamentally I think that private economic boycotts over differences of identity and politics are harmful to civil society and I refuse to engage in them.  I know that many disagree with me, and believe it is better to cause those who espouse unpopular views to suffer for them because they deserve it. I disagree and I think that civil society depends, not just on freedom from government, but on freedom to disagree - sharply, vehemently - with each other on issues most dear without fear that doing so will cause one's ability to earn a living, sell product, find work, or buy a product being harmed.  

Of course I cannot make people share my beliefs, or make them work with me, or make them buy my products, so more often than not, my position brings me harm; I find myself boycotted though I do not boycott. Even people that I have helped because of it find no reason to support my views when it conflicts with their own needs.  Nevertheless these are my life-long views, and having held them through massive career-damaging incidents, I can affirm them as fixed and immutable.

note: minor edit made on request of zak smith to clarify that cutting ties with escapist was his decision, not that of his team-members

That reads as tongue-in-cheek to me. Even if someone were to be offended by it, I'm surprised that anyone who identifies so strongly as "SJW" would (or would plan to) associate with anything Alex does in the first place, having seen firsthand the borderline libel that crowd spewed at and about him during the GamerGate saga.

It’s almost like people who don’t identify as “SJW” still really dislike the term and when people constantly use the term.

Similarly, disliking the term and its use is a far cry from calling any usage of it 'hateful', or making demands regarding any form of association with those who do use it.

I have to say the right call has been made by allowing others to form a campaign of their own. The world is full of people running about with lit matches...

[quote="Jard"]

Hi SenorOcho,

Specifically, Vox's campaign post calls out - a picture of the vile minions eating SJWs. That seems pretty hateful. His biases are very apparent and clear.

-RG


-Rhetorical Gamer

That reads as tongue-in-cheek to me. Even if someone were to be offended by it, I'm surprised that anyone who identifies so strongly as "SJW" would (or would plan to) associate with anything Alex does in the first place, having seen firsthand the borderline libel that crowd spewed at and about him during the GamerGate saga.


-SenorOcho

It's almost like people who don't identify as "SJW" still really dislike the term and when people constantly use the term. [/quote]

 

Yeah... I don't identify as an SJW but I am liberal-leaning. And GamerGate was a disaster for all parties. No one came out of that scuffle looking good. But as liberal gamer, I love ACKS. My politics had/have nothing to do with what system I like to game with. My politics have to do with whether or not I can support someone that even Alex identifies as an "internet troll and extremist" who actively spreads hateful views and pats himself on the back for it. There's a difference.

This is brilliant, Alex. Three cheers.

Gentlemen, please. You can't fight in here. This is the War Room!

It's certainly true that a large number of progressive gamers took umbrage with my stance on GamerGate, but they're neither the first nor last group to take umbrage with me, so I bear them no particular ill will. Umbragers gonna umbrage. 

It's also true that Vox Day's "eating SJWs" was tongue-in-cheek, not a literal art order I'm putting in the book, but equally true that the joke was at the expense of those who support social justice as an important moral mandate, so I get why they don't find it funny. Again, the actual art in the game will not be political.  

In general, let's not presume the politics of any of our backers or players. As long as you support adventuring and conquest, don't mind a goddess of love and war served by scantily-clad bladedancers, and understand why halflings should not be a default PC race, you are welcome here.

 

 

Thanks for giving me a chuckle Alex. Sorry for my earlier pithy response, I don't get as wordy when on my phone. For what it's worth, this die hard liberal isn't going anywhere as long as you do what you said you'll do with regards to ensuring the dark lord art requests all make sense in the book and don't denigrate anyone.

[quote="Jard"] Thanks for giving me a chuckle Alex. Sorry for my earlier pithy response, I don't get a wordy on my phone. For what it's worth, this die hard liberal isn't going anywhere as long as you do what you said you'll do with regards to ensuring the dark lord art requests all make sense in the book and don't denigrate anyone. [/quote]

Thanks! You're with me on the halfling thing though right?

[quote="Alex"]

Thanks! You're with me on the halfling thing though right?

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That depends on whether or not you've got the right kind of marinade to baste them with.

 

[quote="Alex"]

It's also true that Vox Day's "eating SJWs" was tongue-in-cheek, not a literal art order I'm putting in the book, but equally true that the joke was at the expense of those who support social justice as an important moral mandate, so I get why they don't find it funny. Again, the actual art in the game will not be political.  

[/quote]

Just give all the person he's eating very brightly coloured haired.

and just forget the fact that the book is black and white